Monday, July 03, 2006

I'm a tiny, tiny minority. Apparently.

Just in case you haven't already seen it, head over to Quinquireme for an appalling load of old rubbish from Thursday's Independent.

The whole article is based on the completely wrong assumption that women don't blog. Apart from about childcare and gynaecology. Poor old Mary Dejevsky; she clearly has no idea what she's talking about. Women don't blog indeed.

Don't the Indie check these things?

Anyhow, I have sent an angry email to Mary (cc-ing in the features desk, because I have a sneaking suspicion she'll be deleting all these nasty letters telling her how rubbish she is.)


one statement in particular stood out in your entertainly nonsensial piece from Thursday's paper.

"Except in areas such as childcare and gynaecology, it is across the board that women bloggers are few and far between."

Where on earth did you get this idea? Clearly not from doing even the most minimal amount of research. Had you perhaps gone to the trouble of clicking 'next blog' a couple of times you'd have seen that there are quite a few of us out there.

And we're not writing about child-care or 'gynaecology' either.

Women bloggers write about politics, music and their personal lives; they post photographs and poetry. Just like male bloggers.

In fact, I came across your article at quinquirme.blogspot.com; a extremely clever, witty and informative blog, which you'll be astonished to learn is written by a woman.

Can I also direct you towards the peerless Urban Chick and Surly Girl, who both manage to maintain fantastic blogs, despite the fact that they have children. Imagine!

Update - Mary's response

ii didn't say there weren't any, just that there were fewer. and therereally are. maybe quality makes up for quantity. thanks, regards, marydejevsky


  • I agree, It's abslute nonsense. as all male bloggers know, female bloggers are like female drivers - there are far, far too many of them!

    By Anonymous Don, at 12:44 PM  

  • yes, they sit all over the middle of the bandwidth, takng up space that we could use to go zooming along in our pithy little open topped blogs. And please don't ask one to park her blog....

    I too read this at Pat's place and snorted derisively. why, I thought, it was only a few days ago that I was reading in The Times that most bloggers are women. In excess of 60% of blogs more than three months old are written by women.

    Seems about right to me...

    ... or I could add, slightly creepily, "and over 80% of the good ones". But then I would have to castigate myself for sloppy English: more than, not over.

    By Blogger the Beep, at 2:11 PM  

  • Feisty?----------Feisty!

    By Blogger Remiman, at 2:41 PM  

  • I read in the Guardian that men blog these days instead of going fishing, so they can bitch about their wives together and get off over stories of young maidens.

    It didn't mention why women blog, or even if they do at all.

    By Blogger Annie Rhiannon, at 2:47 PM  

  • "60% of blogs over 3 months old are written by women."

    ha. further proof (as if we needed it) that women outlast men in everything. no committment whatsoever. blah.

    (i'm starting to sound like quite the angry feminist, aren't i?)

    By Blogger Chaucer's Bitch, at 3:01 PM  

  • You wrote to her. Good for you. That woman is an idiot, and that is putting it mildly.

    By Blogger Heather, at 3:35 PM  

  • She really is an ill-informed twit.

    By Blogger frangelita, at 4:53 PM  

  • You should also send her to thecompnybitch.blogspot. It's a great read.

    By Blogger alwaysd, at 6:09 PM  

  • Heh heh, Mary will have been receiving a nice old stack of emails, I'll bet. You and Tim and I all wrote to her, and that's just from this immediate corner of the world. Imagine how many female bloggers must have read that article and been moved to respond! Good work on copying in the features desk, I wish I'd had the forethought to cc someone now.

    Thanks for the nice words, too, Spin. I like to think that Mary is even now surfing around our little corner of the blogosphere, amazed and intrigued at all the good things she sees.

    More likely she's at home fixing a huge G&T and watching re-runs of Butterflies, or something.

    By Blogger patroclus, at 6:28 PM  

  • oho, dont you see her clever plan? she said this in order to sting us into doing her research for her. now all she has to do is clickity click and she can write another crap article on how the blogworld is just overloaded all to hell with women bloggers.

    By Blogger First Nations, at 7:48 PM  

  • I've just read that non-MP's response to her article - he's the one who states that 90% of bloggers are men.

    Mary clearly didn't look any further - surely an Indie correspondant knows that you should NEVER TRUST A TORY.

    By Blogger Spinsterella, at 8:11 PM  

  • you go, spinny!!

    actually i'm quite moved to email her myself. if i can only get this cake baked and finish darning the other half's socks, that is. honestly, he was late for his tea AGAIN tonight - said he was "blogging" or something. tch.

    By Blogger surly girl, at 8:15 PM  

  • "I've just read that non-MP's response to her article - he's the one who states that 90% of bloggers are men."

    I think he meant that most political bloggers are male. If this is true (and I can't be bothered to find it out) it would hardly be surprising as most people working in politics are male.

    Blogs on the whole though... female, without a doubt.

    By Blogger Billy, at 8:29 PM  

  • You are correct Billy, most political Bloggers are male or so it seems.

    However the Guardian published a list of political blogs written by women as a response to Mary's ill informed article in G2 last week. So there are still a fair few female political bloggers out there.

    Mary's leap in logic, that this meant that there were only a few women out there blogging and even then only on the subjects of children and gynaecology is still utterly beyond belief.

    She should be sacked for utter ineptitude. Surely the first rule of good journalism is to research your subject thoroughly and to look at both sides of the story.

    Oh well what do I know, I only have a degree in the subject.

    By Blogger Heather, at 11:27 PM  

  • this woman is an imbecile. I'm male and I write a blog, but all except one of the blogs I read are written by women. They're not only numerous, they're often more interesting, certainly more interesting than the guff I post.

    By Anonymous riddledwiththepox, at 9:12 AM  

  • Riddled - you have a blog?

    Show yourself, man!

    Anyhow - I've had a reply from Mary. The jist of it is:

    She says that she didn't claim there weren't AND (bit defensive), and that perhaps women's are just better (bit conciliatory).

    I say 'just' but that's pretty much it - it was very brief, oddly punctuated, and without capitals.

    By Blogger Spinsterella, at 9:50 AM  

  • i hate self-advertising. if I ever link it, I pretend it's written by someone else.

    I used to link it on the guardian's reader's recommend thing, but they don't let you hyperlink pages with your login name anymore.

    (plus I'd probably be sacked about three times if my colleagues ever saw it.)

    By Anonymous riddledwiththepox, at 10:21 AM  

  • that said, I know someone who knows someone who has a blog. I've linked it on my name.

    By Anonymous riddledwiththepox, at 10:23 AM  

  • "it was very brief, oddly punctuated, and without capitals."

    post it!

    By Blogger Billy, at 10:54 AM  

  • Post it!

    By Blogger patroclus, at 11:10 AM  

  • Yes - post it! I'm going to try and get around to mailing Hail Mary too but like Miss Surly I've got to put the washing out, whip up a victoria sandwich before tea and start crocheting for the WI tombola next week. That's in between posting on my blog and bracing myself for 8 weeks of entertaining a bored five year old for the next 8 weeks whilst sipping endless amounts of chilled rose as it is quite clearly the only way to cope with the boredom of being a woman who juggles work from home with childrearing and her own blog. Oh, if only there were 48 hrs in a day.......goodness I'm all a fluster

    By Blogger rockmother, at 12:01 PM  

  • That reply was awful. Simply awful.

    It's as though she just rolled over, and not in a very convincing manner.

    Why is there no punctuation?

    Really that is quite pitiful.

    By Blogger Heather, at 12:37 PM  

  • Christ alive. What kind of argument is 'and there really are'?

    I'm writing to them again. This is nonsense.

    By Blogger patroclus, at 1:44 PM  

  • Mary! The shift key! Before it's too late! Yes, you press it and the letter you want, at the same time. No, the one with the arrow going up. Yes, I know there are two - count how many hands you have and you'll see they match. Yes, that is 'handy'. Sigh.

    By Blogger nibus, at 1:56 PM  

  • This is getting very funny.

    By Blogger james henry, at 2:13 PM  

  • Actually, I'm feeling quite sorry for her now.

    I imagine she is just too busy to bother with the shift key.

    By Blogger Spinsterella, at 2:33 PM  

  • this is indeed getting very funny.

    for all it's worth, the best blogs i read out there are all by women.

    men don't use punctuation enough.

    By Blogger treespotter, at 2:37 PM  

  • Nibus! I love you!

    And Spinsterella, I'm now vv jealous; I do hope I get a reply too. Even if it's that poorly written. If it's just a direct copy, however, I shall be Offended.

    By Blogger ScroobiousScrivener, at 2:44 PM  

  • I may have gone a bit over the top with my second email to MD. I think it's the heat.

    I'm going back to things I know - like writing about pants and music. And pants music. And musical pants...no, stop, it's the heat.

    By Blogger patroclus, at 3:52 PM  

  • Musical Pants Patroclus? I'm intrigued.

    By Blogger Heather, at 4:29 PM  

  • wow, mary sure deconstructed THAT argument concisely.


    *wonders why am not a journalist since is clearly very easy indeed*

    By Blogger surly girl, at 6:12 PM  

  • Christ almighty - I know journalists are meant to be bad at spelling but Mary's effort really takes the biscuit. I'd LOVE to do her job - how did she manage to wing that one I wonder?

    By Blogger rockmother, at 7:24 PM  

  • Hmm, perhaps she has got some poor bewildered kid on work experience to type her dictated e-mails out as it is a job which is clearly beneath her ...

    By Blogger Betty, at 7:34 PM  

  • DON'T feel sorry for La Dejevsky, she is arrogant and perversely opinionated. The dashed off misspelt -- "thereally" is a word I am not familiar with -- reply is an indicator of how far beneath her she thinks bloggers are.

    By Blogger DavetheF, at 7:38 PM  

  • i sort of agree davethef - it struck me as a "can't be bothered to discuss it. run along" sort of a response.

    i suspect she may be rueing the day she didn't do her research before submitting a piece...

    By Blogger surly girl, at 8:04 PM  

  • Women don't blog unless they are mommy blogging? Pfft.

    By Anonymous Grins, at 10:11 PM  

  • She hasn't even read her own column. There's a big difference between saying 'there are fewer women bloggers than men' (what she now claims she wrote) and saying 'women bloggers are few and far between' (quote from article). But based on her story, this might well be a subtlety that's lost on her.

    By Blogger Sean McManus, at 10:32 PM  

  • Yeah I agree with Surly - old Mary was defensive in a slightly childish (because she didn't know what she was talking about) kind of way. Do you think she's a one-finger typer?

    By Blogger rockmother, at 10:34 PM  

  • Most of my regular blog-haunts are of a female persuasion. Pretty spunky chicks too, witness the outrage here!

    It wouldn't hurt for her to spell correctly when talking down to you, would it? Then we could almost believe in her superiority?

    I said almost.

    Do other male bloggers sit in the pub and talk about the comment that got away?

    By Blogger krusty the baker, at 10:35 PM  

  • I am once again astounded by this woman’s lack of decent grammar. Emailing does not give an excuse to ignore the basic rules when constructing a sentence. Also, her response is so pathetic, she might as well have added 'so there' to the end of her statement. Honestly! This is meant to be a well-educated person? If this it what university does for people, I’m glad I gave it a wide berth. God help us all!

    By Blogger Fraudulent Little Tart, at 11:58 PM  

  • I haven't had a reply yet. Possibly because I suggested she might really be a man.

    By Blogger Tim Footman, at 8:00 AM  

  • Women don't blog? Oh dear, I'm suffering from those delusions again. You know I could have sworn I blogged daily, silly me.


    By Blogger Kate, at 2:22 PM  

  • PS: I got a reply! Hurrah. No capital letters, but something distantly approaching an admission of error.

    By Blogger ScroobiousScrivener, at 4:36 PM  

  • "I haven't had a reply yet. Possibly because I suggested she might really be a man."

    ii'm discusted tim atthevery suggestion that the wunderfullmary dejectsky might be a man

    nothing annoys me more than men bloggers pretending to be womens.

    roberta cecilia swipe (mrs.)

    By Blogger Robert A. Swipe, at 10:05 AM  

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